Talking with kids about circumcision

Whether you’ve left your boys intact or had them circumcised (or did some of each), or only had girls, I want to ask you how you have dealt with the subject of circumcision? Have your children ever asked you what it means to be circumcised? Have your children seen both circumcised and intact boys, and if so, have they commented on the difference? Or if your children are too young, what do you plan on telling them if they ask why they were circumcised or

My boys are intact, but some of their cousins are circumcised. They’ve taken baths together, and so far my boys haven’t asked me why their cousin’s penis looks different from theirs, but I’m anticipating the day that it comes, and I want to be forewarned and forearmed. I feel rather like the mother of a child who doesn’t believe in Santa Claus, fearing that he will spoil the fun for all the other kids who still believe. Part of me wants to talk about it in strong terms, but part of me is afraid that in so doing, I will make my sons feel somehow superior, or that they will “spill the beans” to their cut cousins who will then be mad at their mothers, and I just don’t want to get into that, y’know? Of course, that may not happen; and my kids may never even bring it up, but still…

Over the past few days, I’ve been reading and watching more about circumcision (just watched the “Penn & Teller” video on it — warning that it has foul language and lots of penis wisecracks in it, but it was interesting), so the topic is on my mind. Some of the comments on these blogs and videos have been from men who are violently angry that they were circumcised as infants; others were circumcised as older children or even adults and are angry over it (with the men, it was usually because they were misled into thinking that circumcision was better than being intact, was necessary or was the only option for some condition they had, and they were dismayed over the outcome, and/or discovered too late that there were much milder treatments that the doctor never told them about). Reading comments like these made me proud and that I had “stuck to my guns” and kept our sons intact, and I want them to be glad but not at the expense of their cousins, y’know? And I don’t want my boys to tell their cousins, “Your penis looks weird because your mom had part of it cut off!” and then to have the cousins ask their moms about it. I’m hoping that the conversation never comes up, but I want to be prepared in case it does.

The biggest problem I foresee is that my older son has interminable questions and always wants to know “why.” And I anticipate that every answer I give him is going to be followed up with “why?” until it makes me uncomfortable. My hope is that if the question comes sooner rather than later, I may just say, “Your cousins are circumcised; that means that this part of their penis was cut off when they were babies.” And if they ask why, I will respond, “Because their parents thought it was the right thing to do; but we think that it was right to keep you whole.” If the question comes up later (or never) when they’re too old to spill the beans in a “Santa Claus isn’t real” fashion, I may just show them a video of a baby being circumcised, and say that I didn’t want to do that to them. How old they are at the time will be the determining factor of how much I say.

In the Penn & Teller video, they interview a pregnant woman and her husband who were trying to decide whether to circumcise their son or not. The husband was intact and didn’t want to cut his son, but the woman was for circumcision. It seemed to me that she was bowing to the cultural norm, rather than having any independent reason for circumcision; and actually her husband’s experience of being ridiculed for being intact weighed heavily on her desire to cut her son. She said with tears once, “I just want to do what is best for him,” and related that she didn’t want her son to undergo the teasing and tormenting that her husband endured as a teenager or young adult. The husband was very upset by being teased, but not enough to get himself circumcised (although there have been some men and older boys who have gone that route). I don’t anticipate my sons being teased for being whole, and I certainly don’t want them teasing anyone else for being cut; but I don’t want them ever to have misgivings about not having been circumcised as infants. So, I want them to be reasonably proud [not exactly the right word] and grateful [again, not really the right word] that they were not put through circumcision as infants, which means that eventually I will want to tell them my strongest thoughts and feelings on the matter, so that if anything comes up in a negative way, that they will not be caught off-guard, but can deflect any criticism (without being mean or critical in return).

Just in writing this, I foresee that at some point my kids will ask what circumcision is (reading through the Bible, you can’t exactly miss it), so I plan to give a simple and accurate answer as to not only what it is, but why God ordained it for Abraham’s offspring, and why it is not incumbent on Christians, and leave it at that. Maybe around the age of puberty (unless it comes up before), I will tell them that some boys are cut and others are intact, so they may see boys that look different from them, and just not to say anything (especially to their cousins); and also around the time of puberty (maybe before if necessary, or if I think they can handle it; or later, if they still seem to young at that time), I will give them a more thorough explanation, perhaps including a graphic video of a baby being circumcised.

What do you think?

16 Responses

  1. I think it is great that you are anticipating any questions that may arise. Here is a post by a circumcised father who put together a slide show for his intact son: “A father’s talk with his son about infant circumcision”
    http://www.restoringtally.com/blog/2010/03/fathers-talk-his-son-about-infant-circumcision

    • Oh, thank you for posting this link! I had read it before, but couldn’t remember where. It was what was on my mind when I was writing about hoping my sons would be glad I had protected them from circumcision. Now I have it saved to my bookmarks, so will be able to have it for future reference. :-)

  2. I have both and they haven’t asked anything yet. Or maybe it has come up once now that I think of it but it didn’t develop into a discussion yet. My oldest is 12 though so I am anticipating questions as well soon. I have my info ready and I will make sure my grandkids are not circumcised.

  3. A book for boys was recently recommended to me. It has a section on circumcision, which was described as superb; it is What’s Happening to My Body? Book for Boys by Lynda Madaras. A very important consideration is that your boys understand the harm of circumcision, and are not mislead when they have children of their own.

  4. When my intact son and his circumcised cousin were pre-school age (there is a difference of two years in age between them), they were taking a bath together. The older cousin noticed a difference and said, “I like your penis.” My son said in reply, “I like your penis too.” Then they went on playing with the toys in the tub.

    They were both very accepting of one another, and I think adults could learn a lesson from what they said to one another.

  5. I love the respect you’re showing for both intact and circumcised boys (who couldn’t protect themselves from a traumatic experience). Before my grandson, Matthew, went to kindergarten, I explained to him that children can be very cruel to one another and I was teased because I wore glasses, the children called me “Four Eyes.” I was devastated! Then I said, “Some men have told me they were teased for being intact when everyone else was circumcised. But, Matthew, you know how lucky you are to have your whole body, and anyone teases you is simply ignorant about what the foreskin is or jealous because you still have yours.” “Don’t worry, Nana,” Matthew said, “I won’t tease them back; they’ve been hurt enough already.” When he was a teen, I gave Matthew Lynda Madaras’ book that Jim mentioned above. She’s done a wonderful job in describing individual differences with respect and care! I think explaining to your sons that we’re moving from a circumcising society to a non-circumcising society, so we’re going to see both types of penises until circumcision comes to an end. In the meantime, we need to help our children learn to respect individual differences and one another. And, to end on a light note, one five-year-old, when he learned what circumcision is, said to his mother, “I’m glad you didn’t let them cut that part off me, it’s the part that tickles the best!”

  6. Oh my goodness, Kathy, what a huge topic to delve into! But a necessary one, though, and I appreciate your willingness to explore this issue with respect and grace. My 6 year old son is circumcised. If we ever have more boys, they will most certainly be intact. I haven’t a clue how to address the possible questions that could arise from our son, if that happens. As it stands right now, I don’t have any idea how to talk to him about why his penis looks that way. But I’m thinking I’ll just leave that issue alone for the moment and address it if he asks. My husband is also circumcised, but is learning more about the intact penis and is fully supportive of leaving future sons intact.

    Thanks again and all the previous commenters offered great insight and advice.

    • This reminds me that one of my friends circ’d her oldest son but then opted not to circ her other sons (although her younger children were with a different husband). I’m not sure of her reasoning why to circ in the first place, but presume that it was “like father, like son,” and/or “that’s what everybody does.” I also don’t know why there was any discussion when she had her younger children about doing things differently (and assume her 2nd husband is circ’d also), but it may have had something to do with her giving birth at home, and then having to deliberately make an appt for a circumcision, rather than just having it done before leaving the hospital.

      I feel certain that her older son noticed the difference, but haven’t talked with her about any conversations she had with them about it. Note to self to do that next time I see her…

  7. I have two grown sons. We circumcised the oldest so that he would look like his dad; by the time we had our second, we decided that looking like dad wasn’t a good enough reason. When the oldest asked me about the different appearance of his brother’s penis, I answered as best I could (“at the time we thought this was best; kids look different in lots of ways; some have freckles, curly hair, ”etc.) The oldest burst into tears and wanted to know why I did “that” to him. Fast forward to adulthood. My daughter-in-law told me that she and my oldest son would probably circumcise their son. But when I changed my grandson’s first diaper, I was delighted to see that he was intact. My daughter-in-law said that she left it up to my (circumcised) son. He researched the subject and decided that there was not a good reason to do it. So I feel good about the decision not to circumcise my second son and very proud of my oldest son’s informed choice for his own son.

  8. My sons are 10 and 11. We talked about circumcision pretty early. Their Dad is circumcised and they used to say, when they saw him naked in the shower or in the bathroom, ‘Oh. Sorry about your penis Dad. I guess your parents didn’t now better.”

    My husband would say, “It’s ok, I’ve never known different!”

    I think talking to kids about ridicule and bullying in general terms will be enough so that they know never to shame anyone for what they look like. We all need to have respect for differences.

  9. Just be careful about using the word “whole” to describe an uncircumcised person. It could be offensive to some people.

    For example, you would not say, “That child is an amputee, this child is ‘whole’.” The word has an implication that is not very nice. Perhaps a word like “uncircumcised” would be a better choice.

  10. Actually the world intact is most often used. The word whole also reflects what the normal state is. Uncircumcised indicates that circumcised is the norm and that is a fallacy.
    In your example of amputee, we assume the amputation was a necessity. If it was done by choice for no medical reason, the other child would indeed be whole. We have to name it what it is.

  11. . . There is a movement of Jews who are questioning circumcision, and working to end this abuse of children. The movement ranges from the Orthodox to the secular, and includes mothers, fathers, scholars, historians, medical professionals, activists, and intellectuals.

    Jewish Groups for Genital Integrity

    * Jews Against Circumcision http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

    * Brit Shalom Celebrants by Mark D. Reiss, M.D. http://www.circumstitions.com/Jewish-shalom.html

    * Questioning Circumcision: A Jewish Perspective by Ron Goldman, Ph.D. http://www.jewishcircumcision.org

    * The Current Judaic Movement to End Circumcision: Part 1
    http://intactnews.org/node/105/1311886372/jewish-voices-current-judaic-movement-end-circumcision-part-1

    The Kindest Un-Cut Feminism, Judaism, and My Son’s Foreskin by Professor Michael S. Kimmel
    http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/kimmel1/

    Jewish Intactivist Miriam Pollack has some great commentary on Foreskin Man in this recent interview.
    http://www.beyondthebris.com/2011/07/defying-convention-interview-with_27.html

    Jews Speak Out in Favor of Banning Circumcision on Minors
    http://intactnews.org/node/103/1311885181/jews-speak-out-favor-banning-circumcision-minors .

  12. Mothers need to keep a completely open dialog with their sons about this, but do not show any vids of a boy being circed. This would be over the top! Teach him that either way is fine and be open and honest with him. Too many women dont talk openly with their sons about such things.

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